This is a verbatim transcript of Rick Nelson, 8 Region Representative on the Constables Central Committee of the Police Federation of England and Wales, appearing on Nick Farrari's Breakfast Show on LBC on Thursday. Published without comment.
NF = Nick Farrari
RN = PC Rick Nelson
NF - I mentioned the police. It’s a fascinating part of it, the police federation taking out adverts in most of this morning’s newspapers, in which they quote some of the passed views of the Prime Minister on how important the police service is to this country, or police force, whatever we call them these days, and yet they say this doesn’t shine with his , or his government’s actions towards their pension provisions. Well PC Rick Nelson is with the Police Federation. He’s with the Constables Committee there in England and Wales, he joins me now. Why, why do you say this is the breaking point PC Nelson?
RN - Well if you look at what’s happened over the last year, we’ve lost already 5,200 officers during 2011, and with an expected other 12,000 officers to go, what you can’t do is continue the service we’re providing the public at the same level with less than we’ve currently got. You know, the streets of England and London last year needed 16,000 officers to quell disturbances. We’re going to lose that number of officers over the next year and a half. What do people expect us to do? We can’t continue giving more with less, which is the position we’re in at the moment.
NF - So your biggest beef then is actually about numbers more than about pensions?
RN - My biggest beef is you know as a member of the public as well that the police service that we’re trying to provide to members of the public isn’t going to be there. I’ve got 30 years in the service, so I’m at the end of my term, but I’ve got a family, I’ve got children and I want to make sure they’ve got the same police service that I grew up with, so they’ve got the same protection as I got when I grew up as a child - and that’s my biggest concern, and that’s the concern of the police federation, now our pay and conditions and our pensions are being drastically cut. We’ll be paying more, and we’ll be paid less. We’ve paid more on our pensions than most of the public sector workers over about 30 years, and we’ll continue to pay more contributions - they went up in April. We’re asking police officers to work even longer for their pensions. We can’t continue with all the cuts that we’ve had already and continue giving the same service.
NF - Why do you suppose if you’ll allow me to say this, why do you suppose your complaints, specifically regarding pensions doesn’t appear to gain much traction with the general public.
RN - I think we know why, the general public’s pensions over the years int he private sector, and the public sector now are taking a knock. We can’t afford... I understand we have to take cuts, but to actually cut people’s pensions like myself who’ve paid in over 30 years and then expect to get so much less than you were expecting, I know it happens in the private sector, but there should be some relation to the public sector and the public as to what they expect from those people.
NF - But you’ll be aware I’m sure PC Nelson that public sector pensions are currently underfunded by around one and a quarter trillion pounds - that’s the equivalent of 45,000 pounds for every household in the land. PC Nelson, we can’t afford it.
RN - No, I realize we can’t afford it, and there need to be some harsh choices. What we’re asking is... what the government should do is ask the public what they actually want. We’ve been asking for a Royal Commission for a number of years now... that would have looked at the whole remit of policing, including pay and remunerations to find out what’s fair and what’s right for the police service that represents the public. The police service represent the public, and the public represent the police service. That’s what we’re there for, to provide a service, and we’re asking for a root and branch review. We have for a number of years, asked for this Royal Commission to find out what the public really need from their police service.
NF - I appreciate that you and your colleagues are going on this demonstration today. You know the government’s not for changing don’t you.
RN - We have to have a voice. Part of the future is compulsory severance of police officers. Now we’re one of the few people in this country who haven’t got any rights, not just the right to strike, we have no employment rights. We have to have our voices heard. All the police officers today, they’re not on strike, we’ve got a number of officers....
NF - No, no, no I appreciate that, but this government is not going to change.
RN - We need to have our voice heard. We hope the public will hear us, and we hope the public may assist us to understanding the changes that are going to come in the future to their police service.
NF - PC Nelson,, the public, unless they’re public sector workers have no sympathy for you at all. I’ll tell you, 88% of public sector workers are entitled to final salary pensions - 10% in the private sector. The average public sector pension, £7,000 per year, £3,700 in the private sector. Every single place you look PC Nelson, the public sector win. There’s no sympathy for your cause.
RN - You’re concentrating on one isue, which is the pension. We’re not there marching on... the pension is an issue I agree, but the main concern for ourselves is the service that we provide to the public. I joined the job 30 years ago to provide a service to the public, and I believe the service is going to go down hill rapidly over the next number of years because of these massive cuts in policing, and the policing budget.
NF - Thank you for coming on the show, and thank you for such a strong defence of your actions. PC Rick Nelson who’s on the Constables Committee of the Police Federation of England and Wales.