
SD: It’s hard to believe that it’s 20 years ago since Mrs Thatcher left Downing Street for the very last time as PM. A man who had a fly on the wall view throughout that last day is her former Political Secretary John Whittingdale, now an MP and Chairman of the Culture, Media and Sports Select Committee. Can you explain, John, the events leading up to Mrs Thatcher’s resignation, and why she felt she had to go?
JW: Well, of course she was challenged for the leadership of the Conservative Party by Michael Heseltine, and her team was very confident that she would beat off that challenge, that she would win. When it came to the vote, although she did actually get more votes than Heseltine, the rules of the party at that time were that she had to achieve a certain majority and she just fell short, and there would have to be a second ballot. Initially she thought she was going to stand in that second ballot, but when she consulted her colleagues, she found that a lot of members of the Cabnet at that time were no longer willing to support her, and so she reached for the decision that she should resign.
SD These are my earlier memories of politics, and certainly made me realise my interest. To speculate for a moment, had Mrs Thatcher decided to stand in the second round, could she have won?
JW: We’ll never know the answer to that. Of course in the second round, she wouldn’t have to get that majority she needed in the first round.. In the second round it was whoever simply got the most votes. Now I think it is quite possible she could have done it, but I talked to her about it later, and she said, even had she won, it was plain there was such a division in the party , where a large number of Conservative MP’s had voted against her. She didn’t feel she could unite the party, and that would damage the party’s hope of winning the next election, and so, it was really for that reason she felt she should resign.
SD: Now of course, we hear the sentiment again and again that Mrs Thatcher divided opinion amongst the public, but of course she had some support. Would you run over the support she had in 1990.
JW: Well Mrs Thatcher was a divisive figure in that she had very clear vision which some people agreed with, and other people didn’t agree with, but she won three elections in a row. She was the first woman Prime Minister. She won the election in ‘79, and she went on to win the next two, which in that time was unprecedented. There was huge support for her in the Country, and particularly in the Conservative Party. I think almost all Conservative activists were horrified that she was treated the way she was , and of course within the Parliamentary Party, she did get the most votes in the first round, unfortunately it just wasn’t enough under the rules at that time.
SD How do you, and how does Baroness Thatcher feel about Michael Heseltine now?
JW Obviously a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, but Michael Heseltine had disagreed. He’d left her Cabinet quite a little while earlier. She certainly knew that he didn’t agree with a lot of what she was representing and doing, so I don’t think it was a great surprise. I think she was much more disappointed about some of the people who were sitting alongside her in her Cabinet currently serving, who she expected to be loyal to her, and weren’t willing to do so.
SD Well as long as nobody mentions Ken Clarke, I think we’ll get away with it… Can I ask you John, obviously you were there on November 28th 1990, the day Mrs Thatcher went. Can you explain how the day unveiled, and when you first knew that she was leaving?
JW The last day when she did leave was a very sad day. She inspired tremendous loyalty from the people who worked with her, right from the people who were very close to her,, her Private Secretaries, but all the way through to all the staff who worked in number 10, and a lot of tears were shed that day..